Healing Through Sound: Unlocking Inner Peace & Higher Vibrations with Jane Frank

[00:00:00] Jane Frank: One day you will get the peace that you need. The universe always has a way to show you signs that you are guided, you are protected. I could not imagine being in that situation where, oh my God, I have to abandon my child. And now I'm at a place where I will hold no judgment. It's just love, and just thank you.

[00:00:18] It's going to take a lot of the people really challenging the status quo of things and really pressing the medical community and bringing this more into light, and those that are waking up. It's also very important to talk about the messy parts that are going to come with it. Because with healing, it's about the good and the bad. We're shifting the hard things, the bad things that have thrown us out of harmony, thrown us out of whack, but those things have to start coming to the surface and have to be shifted and rattled out before we step into that heightened awareness within ourselves, that beautiful space, that peace within ourselves.

[00:00:55] Move very slow with yourself. Take it day by day. And always reset. It is okay to always reset. There's no failure. There's no failure.

[00:01:04] Kate: Jane Frank, welcome to Rawish.

[00:01:07] Jane Frank: Thank you so much for having me. So excited to be here.

[00:01:11] Kate: I'm so excited to be here because I haven't known you long, but in my time knowing you, you've made such an impact on me and my wellbeing, and one of the very first conversations we had, which is so a testament to me being me, I just like to get in there and go deep, and I'm so bored with all the superficial surface level conversations happening in the world.

[00:01:33] And I was just sharing with you that based on a recent family dynamic that I feel like an orphan. And your response to that was, "Oh, I am an orphan. I was left on the side of the highway when I was one and a half years old." And my brain just exploded and my heart exploded. And I believe the universe always gives us exactly what we need, whether we want to hear it or not, whether we're ready or not.

[00:02:01] It always has our back to move us toward our highest vibration, which we'll talk about later. But I was so blown away by that statement and was so honored that you were even open and sharing that. And then you said after that, "Yeah, that's why my name is Jane," because I was a Jane Doe. And I've never met a Jane Doe.

[00:02:22] When I think of Jane Does, I think of young girls and women mentioned in sexual assault cases, court documents, things like that, to hide and protect their identity. And you were Jane Doe because whoever found you had no idea who you were, where you came from, or anything like that. So could you share with us a little bit about your Jane Doe origin story?

[00:02:47] Jane Frank: Oh my goodness. Yes. And it's taken me a lot of time to get comfortable talking about my story, but I've come to peace with it to understand like, you know what, we all have a story to tell, and it's meant for someone to hear because you just never know, like you just emphasized about how our conversation started.

[00:03:10] So yeah, originally I am a Jane Doe, and I was abandoned in the early '90s on the side of a highway. I actually witnessed being put out of a car, which was believed to be my parents and grace of this woman. She was a couple of cars back, and she was getting in the turning lane, and she was just like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm witnessing this.

[00:03:39] So once the light was able for her to turn with the other car, she just pretty much put her emergency lights on and she grabbed me, put me in the car, and she made the attempt to try to follow the vehicle. But at that point, they were already gone. So she was driving around and she was just all like, "Okay, I can't have this little baby in the car."

[00:04:00] So she drove straight to the police station to surrender me over and just gave as much as she could for the report. And that was when I went into the foster system. And because I had no identification, there was nothing with me, immediately what the state does, particularly California, and I believe this is all across nationwide, is when it's an unidentified female, you're labeled as a Jane Doe. Unidentified male, you're a John Doe.

[00:04:32] So immediately there was the beginning of Jane Doe. So I was in a foster home, being taken care of, and then I was placed with my first foster mom, this beautiful little Jewish woman. And the woman that I've learned to call my aunt, her best friend, were there and it was July 4th, crazy holiday.

[00:04:58] And I actually wasn't supposed to go to her. It was a mistake. I was supposed to go to an African-American home, and I went to this beautiful little Jewish woman, and she looked at me and my Aunt Lucia, and my mom's name's Florence. She was just all like, "There's no way you're going to come back and take this kid. She's going to stay."

[00:05:22] My life started there, and once I got up to about-- they roughly thought I was about two years old. They did a bone scan, and they were all like, "All right, here's her birthday. Something to give her." January 1st of '84. I was rough, so they put me about a year and a half, two year mark. Then my mom was just all like, "I can't." So she fought for guardianship for me.

[00:05:48] And she wanted the legal right to change my name. She was like, "This girl can't go through the rest of her life being called a Jane Doe." And by that point I was about seven when she started. So by the time I was nine, everything legally went through and she gave me her maiden name, which is Florence Frank.

[00:06:06] So that's how I got Jane Frank. But she kept the name Jane because she felt that it was beautiful. And Jane actually means God's gift. And she was just like, "In the notes, in the court, when she turns 18, if she wants to legally change that part, then yes. But right now I want her to least have a piece of me."

[00:06:27] So at nine years old, it became finalized by the state. They did one last bone scan. They gave me April 8th of '84, and that's pretty much the base of the beginning of my new identity as Jane Florence Frank.

[00:06:46] Kate: Wow. Thank you so much for sharing that. I've never heard an origin story quite like this before, and I'm just grateful that you're open to sharing it, Jane Frank. What was that feeling like when you really had to, and you were still so young, but I guess embody or embrace or discover your Jane Doe origin story in that transition from Jane Doe to Jane Frank?

[00:07:15] Jane Frank: I actually distinctly remember being nine in the courtroom and the judge looking at me and just even the judge had tears in her eyes, and she was like, "How do you feel about your new name? This is going to be your mom." And I was just like, "I am happy." And she was just all like, "do you love the sound of your name?" And I was like, "yes. It's because my mom gave it to me."

[00:07:36] I always acknowledged her as my mother. And moving forward with that, even in my teens, I never looked at her as like, oh, this woman's a Jewish white woman, or anything like that. I always looked at her as like, this is someone that raised me.

[00:07:55] She gave me my foundation. She gave me a very, very beautiful, strong name, and it's linked to her, and it just felt good to have something. It was hard getting comfortable expressing that to other people because a lot of people didn't understand. But for me, as long as I knew this is my mom, this is my life, despite what has happened to me, that's all that mattered. So I always held onto that no matter what the difficulty of the challenges were.

[00:08:27] Kate: You are one of the most beautiful, open, joyful, pure humans I've ever met, and you would think that you come from just the most incredible place from day one. And I now know the truth, and thank you for sharing that truth. How have you been able to put aside any feelings of sadness or grief, resentment, animosity toward your birth parents?

[00:08:55] That they essentially didn't want you or weren't able to care for you for whatever reason, and I think a lot of people sadly, experience this. How have you been able to just be such a joyful person despite starting from really a, I don't even want to label it, but an unbelievable place, or for me, a heartbreaking and scary place, being alone at such a young age on the side of the road?

[00:09:27] Jane Frank: It's still a work in progress. I'm going to be honest with you. Even till this day, it's still a lot of work. The wound honestly never goes away. It's mended in a different way that gives me strength and more peace and understanding. And that's just because just getting older, getting more mature.

[00:09:49] When I got into my teens, even though I had a sense of peace, it really wasn't fully peace. I was very angry. My anger came from, why would you abandon a child and then give somebody else, a complete stranger, the responsibility to become that nurturer that opened their heart and take them in as their own?

[00:10:14] And that was really rough, and I did act out in a lot of ways because I was just kind of like, well, it's the identity. It's like, I want the face. I want to know what my mother looks like. Where do I get these features? Do I have siblings? I felt like I was robbed, and I was very angry about that.

[00:10:35] It wasn't until my mom, my guardian mother got really sick. I remember her telling me, she was all like, no matter what happens, because there was a risk that I would have to go back into the system, she was all like, don't ever hold the resentment towards your parents because you don't know what it was.

[00:10:56] Just be grateful for whatever reason it may have been in that circumstance of them doing that action that they gave you a place to be picked up in public for someone to get you. And I was always just like, ugh. No. You know what I mean? So when the situation did happen where I did have to go back into foster care because she was too ill to take care of me, I was very alone.

[00:11:25] I was very fortunate to have good teachers. I drowned myself in sports. I just ran out my frustration. Because here I am, a little bit older. I'm 15. I'm now living with other people. Now I'm stripped from-- again the sense of abandonment again. But I had this one teacher, and they knew my story.

[00:11:47] They knew everything, and they were just all like, just understand one day you will get the peace that you need. Even if you never get the chance to find them, the universe always has a way to show you signs that you are guided, you are protected. And even if they're not present anymore, there is going to be signs of their presence with you.

[00:12:05] So that really helped bring in the comfort to you divert the anger. But it really just took a lot of time of me really getting comfortable with myself and just being grateful that they gave me life, that I'm here. Because without them, I wouldn't. And through those challenges that I've gone through growing up in the system, being with different families, being with different homes, there was always just something beautiful about my foster parents that I was living under that they taught me tools about family life.

[00:12:44] They always just told me this like, "Hey, just because you don't know where your roots and your origins, you build your family. And sometimes it's not always going to be blood. It is the water." And that's what really helped strengthen the foundation.

[00:12:59] So yes, blood is sicker than water, but sometimes water is the one that stays consistent in the flow in creating that beautiful energy and currency of friendship and bond. So I got to pick and choose my family, and if it wasn't for them giving me up, I wouldn't have the people in my life that I have today. So yeah, it was just a lot of inner work and strength.

[00:13:24] Kate: Wow. I wrote down, "You will get the peace you need and deserve." And what a beautiful mantra, what a beautiful perspective. Even when you're in that dark place and you're really angry, you may look around and be triggered by the people who seemingly have this "perfect," doesn't exist, but that beautiful picturesque Instagram photo family, and they're with their bio parents, and everyone seems to be in great harmony.

[00:13:52] But you will get the peace you need and deserve. And I believe that we ultimately create that for ourselves and that people do step in that we can create that soul family with. I consider you a soul family member even in the short time that I've known you. And it is a choice, both parties choosing to nurture that and give to one another and support one another and be open and willing to be vulnerable and authentic and share these stories as a form of connection.

[00:14:20] It's the whole purpose for this show. I believe this is true wealth. Everyone's searching for fame and fortune, and I always say my fame and fortune is peace and quiet. Maybe that's a New Yorker and LA person in me. It's not very quiet. I want the peace and quiet and connection and being able to connect deeply with one another. And we do that by being willing and courageous enough to share these stories.

[00:14:47] I have to wonder, and I'm sure some people listening are wondering if you've ever attempted to make any contact with your biological parents or if they've ever made any attempt to try to find you.

[00:15:02] Jane Frank: In the beginning, no. I'll be honest. Now, I'm in the year of age 40. I just started wanting to look, and it's probably the last two years I truly became comfortable. I was always curious and dabbled here and there, but I really just didn't have the emotional maturity yet in the foundation in myself, without being triggered.

[00:15:25] It would just send me sideways every time I would just be like, okay, maybe I'm going to look. When I did finally make the decision, I opened up all my old-- when you get emancipated from the system, you get as much of the copies as you can of your record, your life record. And I actually dabbled into that a couple of years ago.

[00:15:47] During the pandemic, everything's shut down. I was like, okay, let's start unrooting everything. And I was just skimming through, and unfortunately there wasn't much to really go on. There's nothing. It's just this woman that is the one that found me. It's really through actually DNA testing that I'm really going to get a lot of my answers.

[00:16:14] And three years ago I did one. I started with African ancestry. It was a really cool one because it focuses on the African genome, and I was able to at least see what I inherited [Inaudible] away from my mother, her grandmother. So I got one small branch. So I know that I am descendant 2000 years ago to a beautiful island.

[00:16:38] It's a small indigenous island called Bioko in Equatorial Guinea. So I was all like, what? Okay, this explains all the islander, the water, everything. And then I got to see migration point from the last 500 years into West Africa, into Cameroon, and they became very blended. My genetic ancestors blended across Fulani people that migrated out of Egypt into Cameroon.

[00:17:11] So I got to get a little piece of that. I got history of the island. There's Spanish speaking in Bioko just because it was discovered by this explorer that fell in love with this tiny island, Fernando Po, from Spain. So dominantly, my ancestors, we are a blend of this indigenous island mixture of Spanish.

[00:17:34] So it was really cool. So Spanish is on my next new list. The next is to do more and dabble with other genetic testing to get more. I think it was recommend 23andMe, ancestry.com, because they actually connect you with other relatives. So I'm trying to find a male relative so I can get the rest.

[00:17:58] And then just find family that way. So that's going to be my best route. But I feel like I'm in a place where I am ready. I'm ready to know and understand my quirks and different things that I've inherited that are [Inaudible] from my parents that are in my DNA through gene expression that pop out.

[00:18:20] So yeah, it's a good feeling. I'm all like, okay, I am ready to open that door and see. I hope if I could find them, I honestly can say I have no resentment. It really is just peace and love. I just want to hear their story and why, because that had to be traumatic for themselves. I could not imagine being in that situation where, oh my God, I have to abandon my child. And now I'm at a place where I will hold no judgment. It's just love. And just thank you, honestly. Thank you.

[00:18:57] Kate: Wow. What a testament to the work that you've done, which I want to transition into. And you more than anybody, most people, I haven't shared with a lot of people, and a whole transition of really owning a whole new identity for myself. And that transition from people pleaser to pleasing myself and putting myself and my needs first, which we all know that we need to do so that we can be of service to others.

[00:19:23] And yet, especially as women, we don't do this. And it may feel noble, and you're people pleasing, so you're well liked. But at what cost? I think for me it's been that cost factor. Okay, I'm pleasing people. I'm well liked. I'm the life of every party. But at what cost? And the cost was to my own health and wellbeing.

[00:19:47] And so there's this beautiful principle in Alcoholics Anonymous that says, "Anything you put before your sobriety, you will lose." While I haven't been to Alcoholics Anonymous and I'm not an alcoholic, I have studied so many principles of things in recovery and spirituality and improving ourselves from a holistic level.

[00:20:06] And so for me, my journey now and my identity now is really the notion of anything I put before my health and wellbeing, I will lose. Whether it's that relationship, it's work, it's the constant hustle and grind to live a certain lifestyle and be comfortable at home and in our car and in our clothing and those sorts of things, which I value.

[00:20:28] Something that you've helped me with is just owning the shift in identity, which I wanted to have you on the show for so many reasons, but one, having to completely create an identity out of nothing, which has been so remarkable. And one of the ways and modalities that you've done that is being in the medical field and through sound healing, and that is how I know you, from the breathing room in Los Angeles, my favorite place in all of LA, owned by our dear friend, Miranda Boe, Dr. Miranda Boe. Please check it out.

[00:21:00] And you giving these incredible sound baths that I've had before. And I just think, oh, it's relaxing, and it's nice. Didn't get too much deeper into it. I know that it raises our vibration. What does that even mean? And then this magical but not magical thing has happened, and I've scheduled some private sessions with you. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I feel so different. Or, this is working. But what's happening?

[00:21:26] And you think, how does this work? How can this affect me, this much sound? Which you think, oh, that's so nice. And we listen to music all the time. So what is happening when you're playing the sound bowls? And please explain it for people who are like, what even the heck is a sound bath, but we're talking frequencies and vibration.

[00:21:44] First of all, we are a frequency. We are a vibration. As I always say, the work that I do, the inner work that sometimes you feel you're getting no ROI on, there's no return on this investment of some all this time working on your frequency and vibration, you're like, I'm still yelling at my dad because I'm triggered. We're going to laugh about that.

[00:22:05] It's a whole other story. I'm still really angry about this injustice that's happened to me. I still can't let go of wanting that person to be held accountable for trying to destroy me. It's like these things come up and it's like, gosh, I'm still not healed, and I've been doing all this work.

[00:22:21] And then there's this shift that happens from these frequencies and vibrations. And I'm all over the place right now because I get all excited talking about this, but that's what I saying. For me, spending the time to fine tune our instrument before we can play it for the world. And how important that is. And it is an act of integrity, which is one of my top values.

[00:22:41] So what is happening when you're playing the bowls and you also work with tuning forks? And so I guess now try to explain to people who really don't know, and people for me, who are aware, but by no means an expert, because it's something that I'd love everybody to try. Our culture is, have a bad day, have some alcohol. Take some drugs.

[00:23:03] There's so many unhealthy outlets that people are leaning into, and they actually make you just feel worse. I've experienced personally. And so with the sound, I don't even know what it's doing. And I could try to explain, but I'll let the expert here explain. So take it away.

[00:23:21] Jane Frank: Oh, no, definitely. No, no worries. So just to really keep it simple, and then I'll play off and go into depth as it flows. But like you said, we are vibrational beings, and I always love to reference my mentor. I love her. She's absolutely beautiful. And I just study a lot of her work, and I call her my mentor.

[00:23:47] I haven't had direct work with her, but her name's Eileen McKusick, and she works with tuning forks in frequencies. And her story is absolutely beautiful. But just to keep it simple, she discovered that we have what's called a biofield. And she's not the only person. Our medical system, western, our culture and medicine recognize that we do have what's called an electric body.

[00:24:11] Our heart is part that drives our electrical system. I worked in cardiology for eight years alone, just dabbling and working with pacemakers and defibrillators. And when it comes to us ourselves, we have our own energetic frequency, which Eileen had discovered with the tuning ports. And our energy field actually expands general standard anywhere between six to 12 feet from our body.

[00:24:42] You can call this your org field. You can call this your energy field. You can call it your quantum field, but it has its own unique frequency. We walk at our own unique vibration. And what sound is doing, because sound has its own overtones and beautiful layers and frequencies that start to adjust as it's played or it's brought into combinations with other instruments, what it's doing is it's touching because sound travels.

[00:25:11] And it touches our energy field. And our energy field, because we have that unique frequency, it starts to harmonize with that. So if it's a certain tone that's being played, it's like, ooh, I like that. So our energies will actually gravitate to that and want more of it, and it actually welcomes it into your energetic space.

[00:25:31] And what happens with that starts to create what is called resonance. So you're in full vibration. You're at harmony with this. You're like, oh my, this feels good. And then it starts to vibrate deeper into you cellular wise. So you're going through the tissue. You're going through the muscles, through the fascia, and you actually have an inter webbing of energy meridians.

[00:25:52] A lot of people might be familiar with this, but to re-reference, that's where you get your eastern medicine, your acupressure or your acupuncture. It's all on the focus of tapping into your energy meridians that actually flow within your nervous system webbing. And sound vibrates through all of that.

[00:26:13] And what happens is after it creates that beautiful relaxation response. We have a biological response, a physical response to that. Arms start to relax. Our mood starts to change. Our respirations start to change, because you're coming in harmony. You're like, this is soothing.

[00:26:31] I like this. The body's like, yes. Hey, bring more of this. So you start to relax, and then the nervous system starts to calm. So if you're in a fight-flight mode, so you're sympathetic and your parasympathetic nervous system starts to actually adjust. And the sound acts as a carrier. It's the soothing. It's like the-- I like to say the mothering energy. And all your meridians, your nervous system starts to come back in harmony.

[00:27:00] Your organs start to vibrate. Your organs actually have a frequency. Everything in your body is a symphony. It has a frequency. So sound is just starting to move these energies back into alignment. So as we start to receive the sound, you're going into those different states, and then it actually starts to work with your brain.

[00:27:21] Sound influences our brainwave states. So right now we're in active beta, but what happens is as these tones come in and the body starts to relax, so does our brain respond to that. As it starts to receive sound through the ears and the vibrations, then we float through. If I was able to hook everybody up to an EED machine, there's so much science that has been studied with this, but what happens is your brain wave starts to shift out of active beta to maybe a little bit more of a low beta state, and then you fall into a little bit more theta.

[00:27:53] Theta waves allow us to come into a state of focus. It's about four hertz frequency, slightly a little bit more, four to eight, let's just say, almost. So you start to go into different states of focus. Alpha waves, that's your creativity. You're really in there. And theta you get to be more relaxed. You're more aware, shifting a little bit more into your unconscious mind by this point. And then your delta and your gamma waves and you're really like, you're out. You're about to journey.

[00:28:24] So sound is a beautiful way, how it harmonizes the body. And the thing is a lot of people are mindful of-- sound is already encoded in our DNA. We're already attuned to this. I like to say we're attuned. We vibrate like tuning forks. We have crystalline that's in our bone structure.

[00:28:43] We have what's called a crystalline matrix. Literally, it's in our tissues. It's in our blood. It's in our ears. Once this starts to get activated, that's what's really carrying the sound through. So you literally start to vibrate with the frequencies that are being played, and that falls into the alignment.

[00:29:01] So that's the simplest way that I can actually really put it in. You're already aligned with this. One small example is if you've ever heard a song that is just been like, oh, this is my song. I'm like, yeah, I'm vibing, I'm jamming. It is the frequency of that music that is touching with you.

[00:29:22] You are  actually interpreting that through your biofield, and your body recognizes it. This is feel good. This is upbeat. I am jamming, I am going. And when you are with other people, let's say you're at a concert or you're with your friends, and they start going like, yeah, I'm the group, it's because everyone's energy field that's tapping in the same.

[00:29:42] So you guys all become into this beautiful alignment, despite you have your own unique frequency. But you guys are tapping into each other, and you're coming into that beautiful harmonic alignment with each other with the space and with the vibration.

[00:29:56] And this is why when people come and I hold space for them, I say, hey, start making playlists based off of your mood. Because you unconsciously already are doing that. You have songs that uplift. You have songs that are like, "Hey, I hate my ex." This is a perfect song. You know what I mean?

[00:30:13] You have songs where you're like, it's melancholy today. Music genres are perfect to help us express something that we're not able to say, or we can't quite get out. And it's no different from when you go to a sound bath or you're dabbling with different frequencies or listening to them. It's the same thing. You're just in tune. You're falling into that. So that's what it. That's the best fun way I say it.

[00:30:40] Kate: I've got Katie Perry's Firework. That's my song. I'm like, woo. Yes. [Inaudible] in Vegas. She's extraordinary. And you're so brilliant. And thank you for your brilliance because you explained it so beautifully and eloquently, and I just want to go back and listen to that so many times.

[00:30:59] As you're talking, all I'm thinking is, why isn't this mainstream? Why isn't everybody doing this and experiencing this power, whether it's free or spending $30 to go to a class that I've been to, or hiring you to do private sessions with me? Because I feel the transformation. Why is this not mainstream?

[00:31:23] Jane Frank: Well, actually, in a way it is becoming mainstream. This is what is absolutely beautiful. We are going through a beautiful energetic shift, the world. Whether you believe in cosmic energies or not, because we are vibrating so differently now, everyone's getting tired. Everyone's fed up. I feel like COVID was actually-- even before COVID. But I keep on referencing to COVID because I feel like that was the emergency hard stop button on the world, on the globe. Everything's shut down. Everybody's shut down.

[00:31:59] And I feel like our systematic structures in our Western culture right now are all falling apart. They've been falling apart. Mental health wellness, our medical system, our economic system, every single layer. But particularly because when COVID happened, it shut down all of that.

[00:32:17] And I feel like people started to really wake up and be like, wow, everything really isn't working anymore for me. Nothing is really in itself in balance. And I feel like the artists, the creators, whether you knew you were or not, or you were doing it or you're not, people were starting to really wake up in these modalities that were always in the back burner, just lingering around, just being like the woowoo, started to really become dominant in the fissure, the cracks of our system.

[00:32:49] And now people are waking up and being like, you know what? I need a break. I'm going to start going out into nature. I'm going to start going and actually seeing my old yoga teacher. You know what I mean? And actually take a guided meditation and move my body, or curious about this sound bath and how sound is really caring.

[00:33:08] So it really is already starting to become mainstream. Our western culture is starting to accept and actually bring in and be like, all right. I like to say as a joke, you know cold case files, sad, unfortunate, murder mysteries and those-- because forensics is now-- now we have the tools to go back and open these cases.

[00:33:33] I feel like that's how it is with all these healing modalities. Now Western culture's going back and opening up the woowoo files and that other scientists and medical professionals have dabbled into and research and be like, you know what? The population, I think we need to actually take a look at this.

[00:33:50] Maybe meditation really is beneficial. All these people that are coming in that have been proactive on their own, that have been challenging their doctors to being like, hey, you want to know why you're just so curious about my blood pressure being down? It's because I'm seeing such and such three times a week or twice a week. I've been listening to binural beat therapy. You know what I mean?

[00:34:08] I've been doing some acupuncture, and it's just made me so much better and helping me to adapt to this medication. And doctors are going, oh, okay. All right. Let me look a little bit more. You know what I mean? Going into. So we are waking up, and you're seeing people waking up to the call to step into the space and becoming healers, and using their unique talents with it.

[00:34:30] But the jump mark, which I feel like you're really expressing, is where it's really being more aggressively pushed. It's going to really take time because we are still woo woo. Is still not the norm. We are conditional. Culture is told in its generations, when you're not well, you go see your family doctor. You take this.

[00:34:52] Back then, our parents' generation, we had the old remedies. You know what I mean? You had the soothing teas. You did this. Okay, you went to the pharmacist and you got a little something. But now it's been pulled away from that.

[00:35:08] Even the old home remedies aren't even being educated to people anymore. It's about the medicine now. It's the corporations. It's the pharmaceutical companies. And I believe it's because we've become so advanced in our technology and just our evolution that we have been a way to improve those structures better.

[00:35:28] But it's not elevating people the way that it needs to be. There's no balance in between the two. So it's going to take a lot of time. It's going to take a lot of the people really challenging the status quo of things and really pressing the medical community and bringing this more into light. And those that are waking up, people like myself and those that are curious, really bringing, pushing it into the-- forwarding into the platform, into the spectrum.

[00:35:58] Kate: You just said the word curious, and I think that the more that we can lead with our curiosity and question things-- I laugh sometimes as a single woman, for instance, where our culture still thinks it's more weird to be single than to be divorced five times, for instance. Or it's normalized to have 15 drinks and get wasted out of your mind and wreak havoc to your whole system and your health, but it's "weird" or that's nice or cute for you ladies to go do a sound bath.

[00:36:36] And so without judging, listen, I've been in college. I've had a lot of drinks, and  I've been really drunk. And I have a drink now and my body says, I don't want this. And so I'm listening. And I just think the more that we can lean into our curiosity-- even in grad school, I learned about the curious brain versus the anxious brain.

[00:36:55] And I think most of us really spend a lot of time in the anxious brain, and we're making bad decisions from that place or just going on autopilot. And when we're more intentional and really question things and be open-- people want to say like, oh, you look great, and they want some quick fix or think it's because you've had a lot of facials or things like that.

[00:37:15] People say, gosh, you look so great, or you're not aging. And I'm like, well, I spend all my free time, energy, money in sound baths and hyperbaric oxygen therapy at the hospital and red light therapy, IV therapy. I meet with my coach twice a week. I do a lot of things that a lot of people think, that's excessive, or who has time for that?

[00:37:37] But as I like to say, I don't have time to be angry. I don't have time to be in disharmony with myself and others in the world. I don't have time to not live up to my full potential. I've got things to do here in the world. I have all these callings and downloads that I get from spirit, and some days I look up and I'm like, really? That's my assignment? Can I have a different assignment?

[00:37:56] Or, okay, I'll take it on, but you got to send me some help. You got to send me some more Janes, and you got to me some investors. I'll take on this mission, but you got to help me. And a lot of people that I love are coming to mind right now, and I can even hear them or see them smiling and like, oh, that's so cute for you, Kate, that you do that. Who has time for that?

[00:38:16] And I'm never here to tell people what they should do. I really do like to come from a loving place of, just thought you'd like to know. Or give them the invitation, give them the encouragement, and lead by example certainly. And that's the shift that I'm really hoping and praying for, because I know how good people can feel, and I know how lousy a lot of people do feel. Because I've been on both ends of the spectrum.

[00:38:43] And you've witnessed this with me recently, where sometimes you explore these modalities and you do this work, and you may feel worse before you feel better. Or, for me, I just feel more sensitive, so I'm more annoyed by the loud noises and people not treating me well.

[00:39:00] I have no tolerance left for it. But the good news about that is that because I have raised my vibration, I'm now a match for higher vibrational people and opportunities and experiences that I just attract. I'm like a magnet. Then the people who were never even really for me in the first place, that really just wanted me around for their own benefit, and that's why the relationship just felt so crappy, they've fallen away.

[00:39:26] But let's acknowledge the grieving period in that too. And let's acknowledge the sadness and loneliness that comes in that and the healing journey. Is there anything you want to speak to in terms of that, or even what you've experienced with me in particular?

[00:39:41] Jane Frank: Oh yes. So the most important thing when I hold space, and I really feel like a lot of anyone that's a space holder, whether you're a sound teacher, energy worker, whatever your modality is, when you're just welcoming people into a very beautiful space that you're creating for them to be themselves, we focus on the benefit, like, oh, you're going to feel this. This is the outcome. And those are beautiful. It is life changing.

[00:40:13] These things do come, but it's also very important to talk about the messy parts that are going to come with it. Because with healing, it's about the good and the bad. We're shifting the hard things, the bad things that have thrown us out of harmony, thrown us out of whack, but those things have to start coming to the surface and have to be shifted and rattled out before we step into that heightened awareness within ourselves, that, beautiful space, that peace within ourselves.

[00:40:47] So we have to take it. A lot of energy workers will talk about your shadow. A lot of those things linger in the shadow and the ego. And some practitioners will talk about, oh, we got to kill the ego. You know what I mean? You have to go through the ego death with the ayahuasca or the DMT or whatever the other alternative, beautiful, healing, plant medicines.

[00:41:08] I really like to emphasize to people. I'm like, yes. What we're doing is we're shifting from that state, the ego, within the shadow, the dominance of the shadow. But we don't want to kill it. You don't want to kill your ego. You do not want to kill your shadow. When you are, let's say, working with those plant medicines that are shifting all of those, what is happening is, my interpretation really is you're killing the control that the ego in that shadow self has had for so long that was protecting you.

[00:41:43] But you are putting yourself now as the primary driving force and having that as the backseat. It's like, hey, I'm checking back in with you when I need you. You're my armor. You're my warrior. You're my battle. You know what I mean? When the boundaries are crossed, you come in and you jump in. But there's a control factor now.

[00:42:03] It's me going and saying, hey, I called you in. Versus it comes out just to protect you, and maybe not in the most best of ways sometimes. So we have to allow ourselves to go through the ugly messes and let the trauma, sometimes these triggers, to really come up so we can be able to become the observer of them and understand and get to the seeding of it and recognize it and nurture it.

[00:42:28] Not bury it back into another field within the cell so we can be happy and joyful. It's like no, understand it and why it comes up, so when we do get triggered again by whatever it may be that may come across it, even if it's not from the direct source, that we can go, okay, I see. It's okay. I got you.

[00:42:49] And then bring those beautiful tools to light and that balance and that stability, and then we can kind of ship it back in the energy and be like, hey, it's okay. I got you. You're good. You're good. And we're slowly drifting it back into the right placement. So in the beginning, it can be a little bit hard.

[00:43:05] It just depends, because like I said before, we have our own unique frequency. Our traumas are going to have a unique frequency. Our body has adapted. It's not overnight you just woke up and the floodgates of the nightmare of hell just came upon you. You developed a lot of coping mechanisms to help us survive and protect ourselves. So we bury it down and create pando response.

[00:43:33] So we have to go back in there and lightly open these pando response and let these things come out, let the dust off, and then we transmute it. We're creating a space within ourselves to transmute it and comfort it and put it back. So that's not always easy. It's going to be rough. You're going to be moody. You know what I mean? You're going to want to say--

[00:43:53] Kate: Screw this.

[00:43:54] Jane Frank: Forget the world. You're going to want to throw it out the door.

[00:43:58] Kate: My adult temper tantrum that Jane witnessed last week where it's like, screw this. It isn't working. X, Y, and Z just happens. And then getting on a call with my-- you were very lovely and calming, getting on a call with my coach who was just like, wow, you have raised your vibrations so much, even since the last time I spoke to you.

[00:44:16] And so from the outside she reminded me that this is working even when it feels like it isn't. But what you're really speaking to is the importance of environment and really going through the journey of life. But especially and primarily the healing journey with trained professionals, with people who can hold the space, with people who are interested in your evolvement and transformation. Not everybody is.

[00:44:41] Because even some people who love us or claim to love us, they're not in support of that because, when you truly step into your power, you are no longer able to be controlled by anybody. And a lot of people don't like that when they can't control you or put you in a box or perceive you in a certain light anymore, and it's going to feel really shitty and lonely.

[00:45:02] But it is so worth your time and effort, and I thank you for the space that you hold for me and others. I think I'd love to hear from you. Your tips or advice in terms of so many people are in this space now of really grappling with their identity, wanting to release some old identities, the people pleaser, the I'm not good enough archetype or paradigm, which we all have on some level, for me really wanting to step away from being willing to be controlled by others or dimming and extinguishing my own light so that other people can be comfortable in their limitations. You've helped me step into a much more empowered identity.

[00:45:49] What is your advice to people who really are ready for that but don't even know where to start? And I ask you because you really are the Michael Jordan of owning and embracing a whole new identity, creating something out of nothing.

[00:46:05] Jane Frank: First and foremost, I just want to tell anyone that is listening to this, I want to give you the permission, and please give yourself the permission after I say this. It is okay to not be okay. It is okay to have the feelings that you have on a day-to-day basis, whether you're feeling stressed, depressed, anxiety, whatever, even the most unpleasant thoughts.

[00:46:30] It is okay to go through that. And I want to give the permission of that because it's so important because we're not. We were told, once again, maybe through our current support systems, hey, are you still feeling this depressed? It's been a minute. It's time to snap out of it, get back in the green. You should do this. You should do that.

[00:46:51] No. No. I just want to let you know, if you're on that bad hamster wheel, it is okay. You need to move into those spaces of change when you're ready to shift into change and seek that help on your own pace. Now, this is where my tip is going to come in.

[00:47:12] How do you get off that hamster wheel, and how do you get into that? One is just acknowledging and just sitting, canceling out everybody. You have to cancel out the loved ones. You have to cancel out the friends. And I know a lot of people are going to disagree with me. And the reason why that I'm saying you have to cancel them out in that moment while you're holding space for yourself is because it's the opinion, and it's the viewpoint.

[00:47:35] It's about you going inward and tapping into you and asking yourself, what is it that I need? Your body will scream at you what do you need. All right. If it's the concept, everyone's saying therapy. Sit with yourself. Be like, okay, quiet. All right. Everyone's said therapy, but now it's me. Do I need this right now?

[00:47:53] And what is that going to look like? What is that therapy going to look like? What do you want it to look like? Envision the person that you want to hold the space for you. Do I want a male therapist? Do I want a female therapist? Do I want her to come from this type of background? Hold into that.

[00:48:11] And then when you're moving, know that you're going to have triggers. Whatever your coping mechanism is, it is okay. It's not an overnight thing that these coping mechanisms are going to go away. So if it's something where you get really stressed and triggered and you lock yourself away and you buy yourself a nice, big, fat wine bottle or some whiskey and you're going through that, it's the awareness and being like, all right, that day came.

[00:48:39] Next day, detox yourself. Drink a lot of water, and I want you to journal, write it down. Why did you get that bottle again? Or whatever it was. Why did you binge on that ice cream? Whatever it is. Do you know what I'm bringing up? And then be like, okay. Visualize and see. And then start reaching out to that help.

[00:49:00] Bring the good people that support you back into your space. So that canceling of a friend, maybe tap into who was the good friend that gave you the advice. Now bring their voice back into the space and open up. Reach out and be like, hey, I had this bad day; I had this bad moment. Start getting really curious about alternative things.

[00:49:18] If you're nervous about, oh, I don't want to be on a medication, or maybe you were on a medication in the past and it was really bad, get curious about alternative modalities. Pop into a sound bath. If you notice you haven't been doing your movement very much, maybe find something that's yoga. Workout. Go into the gym.

[00:49:35] Or even better, I like to say tap into the old childhood things that you used to do. Did you love riding your bike? Do you have a bike? Go out and purchase a bike. Positive little things. It's small micro shifts that lead to the big things, but the most important thing is holding the space for yourself and being gentle and not beating yourself up when there is a hiccup or a step back in the journey, because the journey isn't always going to be the straight line.

[00:50:07] You can have it in your mind, I'm going to do this down bath. I'm going to see this therapist, I'm going to do this. I'm going to eat this nutrition. I'm going to be high vibration. Those are beautiful. That's a beautiful base and jumpstart. But just understand it's going to curve. You're going to fall off.

[00:50:24] It's going to be messy. It might be for months, and that is okay. So biggest tip, really giveaway, is move very slow with yourself. Take it day by day. And always reset. It is okay to always reset. There's no failure. There's no failure.

[00:50:42] Kate: Anything does it. Yeah. Thank you so much for your wisdom, your insight. Most importantly, you are such an inspiration because you are the product. You are the service. I'm thinking of a lot of people. I'm looking around my house, oh, that person created this, even this computer that I'm on, the genius that created this product.

[00:51:03] And sometimes those geniuses who create some of our favorite products, the person that they are, I don't admire. And a lot of examples just came to mind. And I say that with love. I think what's most extraordinary about you is the person you are. You, Jane Doe, to Jane Frank, you are the Maserati. You are the Ferrari.

[00:51:22] You are the mansion in the Hollywood Hills that is just so extraordinary. You are the billion-dollar person. And I don't say that a lot, and I don't meet the billion-dollar people a lot. So what a testament to the work that you've done, and I hope everyone listening has taken a piece of this inspiration and will incorporate it in your own life.

[00:51:50] Then I would love to just imagine the world when we're vibrating at that frequency and how we're treating each other and what we're all creating. I just think, wow, what can we create when we're in that place? So thank you so much, Jane Frank, for being here. Thank all of you for taking a moment to feel the real. This is Rawish with Kate Eckman. Appreciate you being here. We'll see you next time right back here. Thank you.